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#434515 - 05/04/19 10:55 AM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Maximum Security: Unbeaten colt should secure his spot near or on the lead with Omaha Beach out. Can he get the distance with Bob Baffert’s threesome pressing? Yes.

Roadster: May be best of Baffert’s trio after beating stablemate Game Winner in the Santa Anita Derby. Trainer stays with Geroux even though Mike Smith is now free to ride.

Game winner: Won every game as a 2-year-old, but is winless through two this year. Narrowly defeated in the Rebel then SA Derby but raced wide in each.
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#434516 - 05/04/19 10:56 AM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Improbable: The colt is one of three contenders trained by Bob Baffert, and the blinkers are coming off. Could give 2018 Eclipse Award-winning jockey Irad Ortiz Jr. his first Derby victory, and a sixth win for Baffert would tie him with Ben Jones for the most ever.

Maximum Security: Ran away with the Florida Derby on a loose lead. In a field without tons of speed, he could steal the race, giving trainer Jason Servis and jockey Luis Saez their inaugural Derby win.

Tacitus: Was able to rally and win the Wood Memorial after being bumped at the start — and with a field of 19, there is plenty of bumping that can happen in the Derby. Could give trainer Bill Mott, who saddled his first Derby starter in 1984, his first Derby victory.
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#434517 - 05/04/19 10:59 AM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Maximum Security
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Tacitus
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#434523 - 05/04/19 11:21 AM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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You can view live and update odds directly from Churchill here:

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/wager/kentucky-derby-live-odds
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#434647 - 05/04/19 03:02 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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(8) Tacitus (5-1)
(5) Improbable (5-1)
(13) Code of Honor (12-1)
(16) Game Winner (6-1)
(3) By My Standards (15-1)

Exacta box 5,8,13
Exacta box 5,8,16
Exacta box 3 with 5,8,13,16
Superfecta box 5,8,13,16
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#434658 - 05/04/19 04:48 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Best Bet to Win: Game Winner
Best Value to Win: Maximum Security
Live Long Shot: Long Range Toddy
Dad’s Value Play: Improbable

Exacta Bet: Box 1,5,7,16,18
Trifecta Bet: Box 5,7,16,18
10c Superfecta Box: 1,5,7,16,18
Pick 3 Bet: Use 7, 16, 18
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#434659 - 05/04/19 04:49 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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My approach to the Kentucky Derby is to attack the Exacta and Trifecta. Good Luck today all of my exacta and Trifecta bets will have a total investment of $391. Two years ago we bet $390 and returned $9069 lets hope for another big score this year. I want to Thank everyone who has followed along with me. This is exactly how I am betting today.

Trifecta Wagers Total Bets = $266

$1 Trifecta 5-8-13-14-16 over 5-8-13-14-16-17 over 3-5-7-8-13-14-16-17 = $150*** (corrected amount)

$1 Trifecta 5-16 over 5-8-13-14-16-17 over 5-8-13-14-16-17 = $40

$.50 Trifecta 5-8-13-14-16-17 over 5-16 over 5-8-13-14-16-17 = $20

$1 Trifecta 5 over 8-13-14-16-17 over 8-13-14-16-17 = $20 (corrected amount)$1 Trifecta 8-13-14-16-17 over 5 over 8-13-14-16-17 = $20 (corrected amount)

$1 Trifecta 5 over 16 over 2-3-6-7-8-13-14-17 = $8

$1 Trifecta 5 over 2-3-6-7-8-13-14-17 over 16 = $8


Exacta Wagers Total Bets = $125


$1 Exacta Box 5-8-13-14-16-17 = $30

$2 Exacta Box 5-8-13-14-16 = $40

$5 Exacta Key 5 over 8-13-14-16-17 = $25

$2 Exacta Key 8-13-14-16-17 over 5 = $10

$3 Exacta Key 16 over 5-8-13-14-17 = $15

$1 Exacta Key 5-8-13-14-17 over 16 = $5


I will have a Win-Place-Show Bet on #5 Improbable Example $15 across = $45

1 will also have a smaller Win-Place-Show Bet on Long shot #14 Win Win Win Example $5 across = $15
On the WPS bets those were examples so what ever you bet on Improbable bet 1/3 as much on Win Win Win.
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#434660 - 05/04/19 05:01 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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My Plays for the KY Derby

$1 Exacta Box 2-7-8-14 $12
$1 Trifecta Box 2-7-8-14 $24
$20 WPS on #7,8,14 $180

$216 total.

Normally don't play three horses to WPS, however if one wins, you should get your money back overall and have a great shot at exacta, trifecta.

I am fading all of the Baffert horses and really liked Maximum Security at ML of 10-1. Surprised to see all the money come in on him as it has but what can you do. Have a feeling we are going to see Win Win Win closer to the front today and if he can find that closing speed, watch out. Tacitus should be hovering behind the pace and we'll see what he has at the end. My long shot addition is Tax. Great price and overlooked. If he strikes the board cha ching..........

Good Luck and don't over do it. It's one race and there will be a race somewhere 15 minutes later.

Enjoy !
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#434664 - 05/04/19 06:25 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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#434666 - 05/04/19 08:01 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: Docwatson]
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1st: 20 Country House $132.40 $56.60 $24.60
2nd: 13 Code Of Honor $15.20 $9.80
3rd: 8 Tacitus $5.60
4th: 5 Improbable
5th: 16 Game Winner

$1.00 EXACTA 20-13 $1,504.80
$0.50 TRIFECTA 20-13-8 $5,737.65
$1.00 SUPERFECTA 20-13-8-5 $51,400.10
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#434667 - 05/04/19 08:15 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Just when you thought you've seen it all, you realize something utter stupid happened and now you've seen it all.

I and I am sure I am not alone here will ever recognize Country House as a Kentucky Derby champion. I have lost all respect for Bill Mott as well. I don't say anything of this lightly. I've been in this game way too long, my grandfather owned raced horses and I know the business all too well.

Flavien Prat should be ashamed of himself and its a disgrace to the sport of horse racing for what he did.

The stewards, I don't know their thought process and why they acted the way they did.

Let me say this did Maximum Security impede anyone? YES.

Did he impede Country House? NO!

Did Country House in any way get touched by any other horse on the turn? NO!

Tell me why Flavien Prat is calling for an objection? Wait you don't have to answer that. They knew there was some impediment but War of Will wasn't going to win the race, finished 8th and wasn't going to file an objection.

In a cheap attempt to STEAL the Kentucky Derby, Prat and Mott filed objection.

When interviewed after speaking with the stewards, he made up lies. Go back and listen to what he said, NONE OF IT HAPPENED to him or his horse. NONE OF IT.

When asked was his horse going to win the Derby on the track, he didn't answer YES, he gave some bull answer and avoided the whole question.

If he truly felt something happened to keep him from legitimately winning, he would've answered YES, that cost us the race, I had the best horse and should've won but that cost me and the horse the win. You speak with conviction and mean it. He didn't mean a damn word he said and knew what he and Mott were trying to do.

As for Mott, his answers were worse. Jockeys were almost thrown off their horses. Where, When?? Watch the video it never came close to happening. You wanted to win a Derby so bad, you stooped to this lower than low level of absurdity.

When in the winners circle, the crowd let them know it was bull as they poured in the boos. They tried talking louder than the boos but sorry, that didn't work.

A truly black eye moment for a sport still struggling for an identity. This isn't how you do it.
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#434672 - 05/04/19 09:37 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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In the scope of things, I really feel bad for the connections of Maximum Security. From the veterinarian to the groom to the outriders and all the people behind the scenes. There is going to be a lot of lost sleep and they will constantly be reminded when it comes to the Preakness and Belmont and we won't even begin to talk about next years Derby.

I hope they decide to run Maximum Security in the Preakness and he wins. Then run him in the Belmont and he wins.

He will truly be the people's Triple Crown winner no matter what any history book or stewards decision says.

As for those in the industry we really need to examine situations and make changes. To the casual once a year horse player they are left wondering what in the blue moon just happened here and a lot will be turned off by it and won't return. This is exactly why the sport is what it is today. They truly don't care about the players and with the high % takeouts of prize pools it's just a real crap shoot proposition for the common player.

I've been e-mailed by quite a few people that aren't members of the forum and thanked me for posting what I did. In their words it couldn't have been said better.

I say it could've have with no change in the race and sanctions brought forth to Mott and Prat for their highway robbery and suspicious tactics.
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#434676 - 05/04/19 10:27 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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#434679 - 05/05/19 12:34 AM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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#435232 - 05/08/19 06:38 PM Re: 2019 Kentucky Derby Info & More [Re: FREAK]
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Lawsuit expected to be filed Thursday by Maximum Security owners.

I just went back and looked at all the selections here. Two people had Country House for third at best. Some of the cappers that used 10 horses in exactas and trifectas didn't even use Country House at all. Looking at the reviews that were written for each horse, it appeared he had no chance.

This whole situation is just bad for horse racing. While it is bringing publicity to the sport, it's not the type we need.

Doesn't appear MS is running in the Preakness and Mott claims CH has a cough and won't be racing in the Preakness either.

It's probably a good thing as I can imagine the rain of boos at PIM. NBC is the big loser as we are guaranteed to not have a TC opportunity for the Belmont. The asterisk KY Derby champ a no show.

If the connections were smart, they wouldn't race CH ever again. He may never win another race unless it's some 3 or 4 horse field.

Quit while you are ahead, no need to embarrass yourselves further.
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